Curse

Edge Igneas · Jul 10, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Looking from the current points of the known Bloodstones, and dropping the theory that the Bloodstone in Abaddon's Mouth is not the Keystone, I have guessed the location of another Bloodstone.

Maybe there is a reason why Demetra had such value to Saul D'Alessio during the Rise of the White Mantle, perhaps Saul even stumbled upon the Bloodstone there. It would also explain what the Krytan watchtowers around Giants Basin were guarding far before that time.

It's a theory anyway

Ariena Najea · Jul 10, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51

I thought Saul had gone into the Jungle, rather than North of Kryta.

In any case, good catch on the angles there!

smilingscar · Jul 10, 2009, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

I thought Saul had gone into the Jungle, rather than North of Kryta.

Well, technically we only know he was in a "dense forest." The area's at least green...forests maybe?

Gmr Leon · Jul 10, 2009, 11:06 PM // 23:06

Definitely an interesting idea, however, remember that we are talking about a volcano, not a cannon, so it has to have some limit to its range. That aside..I think it would be more likely to explain why exactly the Mursaat decided to intervene, rather than why Saul pushed forward. The Charr were being pushed back, so if his network of spies tells him it's all-clear to go forward, then he's going to go forward so that he can gain a foothold in the area before the Charr push forward again and reclaim that area.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 10, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by Edge Igneas

Looking from the current points of the known Bloodstones, and dropping the theory that the Bloodstone in Abaddon's Mouth is not the Keystone, I have guessed the location of another Bloodstone.

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Maybe there is a reason why Demetra had such value to Saul D'Alessio during the Rise of the White Mantle, perhaps Saul even stumbled upon the Bloodstone there. It would also explain what the Krytan watchtowers around Giants Basin were guarding far before that time.

It's a theory anyway

Possible, but I don't think it is likely. Why? Because the volcano erupted which spewed the bloodstones out of it. I'd say that the location of Bloodstone Fen and Bloodstone Caves are as far, or close to as far, as one can go.

I theorize one might have landed in/near Orr (only land aside from the Maguuma and Tarnished Coast that is within the same distance from the volcano as the other two), and the other in the sea.

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

I thought Saul had gone into the Jungle, rather than North of Kryta.

Never said jungle. Said "dense forest" which is 2 week carriage ride away from Kryta - which people automatically thought to be the Maguuma Jungle for some obscure reason *cough Ullen River cough*.

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

I think it would be more likely to explain why exactly the Mursaat decided to intervene, rather than why Saul pushed forward. The Charr were being pushed back, so if his network of spies tells him it's all-clear to go forward, then he's going to go forward so that he can gain a foothold in the area before the Charr push forward again and reclaim that area.

If a bloodstone is in such an area, then this would be more likely of a reasoning for pushing the Charr back.

Mursaat needed followers - they help Saul start a new faith by pushing the Charr back a bit.

Mursaat needed the bloodstones - they help Saul when he was cornered so that the Charr would not push back once more.

Saul wanted to free Kryta from the threats - he follows the beings, Mursaats, that can give him the strength to do such.

Pony Slaystation · Jul 10, 2009, 11:34 PM // 23:34

1. Although very unlikely, it's possible that it resides in the small island in the upper left corner of the map. It seems suspicious, so something cool must be there.

2. As others are saying, since they were spewed from a volcano, it does have limited range. If you look at the distance between the Abaddon's Mouth bloodstone, and the other two known bloodstones, you could also come up with a location that is between the Crystal Desert, and where Orr used to be.

Bob Slydell · Jul 11, 2009, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Could there be any possibility that your guess on the 4th bloodstone might be exact? What is in the dead center of that square?

Konig Des Todes · Jul 11, 2009, 12:12 AM // 00:12

I doubt there is a bloodstone on that island. Aside from Orr (and no, not the Crystal Desert, it has to be on the Peninsula unless the range is further than that of Fen) the only landmass there could be - aside from in the same area as the other two (highly unlikely) would be to the west of the Maguuma/Tarnished Coast, or if there is a landmass to the south west of the Ring of Fire - which we know of none (Battle Isles, closest but by what we are given, not close enough, though it could be).

So I have to say either Orr, or underwater (that is, both of those, or two underwater), or an unknown landmass off the map.

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Originally Posted by Chrisworld

What is in the dead center of that square?

Explorable areas, most likely, or too close to the White Mantle's "base" (The Temple of the Unseen I think it is called) that they would use that bloodstone instead of the one in Bloodstone Fen. Illogical given our facts.

Rick Thene · Jul 11, 2009, 05:53 AM // 05:53

To all the people saying about the limited range, we're talking about a massive volcano, clogged up by these huge stones. That's some serious pressure build-up, and remember that volcanoes can always erupt sideways!
Still quite a distance though.

It is interesting that the White Mantle temple in Riverside Province is right in the middle too.

Konig raises a good point about why the White Mantle wouldn't just use that suspected Bloodstone if its so close to Kryta. Perhaps they were afraid of potential witnesses so close to Kryta, and so took their business to the other two Bloodstones?

Edge Igneas · Jul 11, 2009, 08:41 AM // 08:41

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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea

I thought Saul had gone into the Jungle, rather than North of Kryta.

In any case, good catch on the angles there!

Demetra is situated north of Nebo Terrace actually, anyway the landscape there starts to change after Giant's Basin, which is seen from the Tarnished Coast on the other side.

As everyone can see there are a lot of possible connections, it just raises the question where the 5th Bloodstone is, because if it follows the square I posted then it doesn't really have a place.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 11, 2009, 09:00 AM // 09:00

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Originally Posted by Edge Igneas

Demetra is situated north of Nebo Terrace actually, anyway the landscape there starts to change after Giant's Basin, which is seen from the Tarnished Coast on the other side.

The north of Kryta (aka Verdant Cascades) and the area around Gadd's Encampment are not a part of the Tarnished Coast. The Tarnished Coast is the coastal area of the Maguuma Jungle (not sure if the Tarnished Coast is considered a sub-region of the Maguuma Jungle like the Northern/Southern/Far Shiverpeaks are sub-regions of the Shiverpeak Mountains).

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Originally Posted by Edge Igneas

As everyone can see there are a lot of possible connections, it just raises the question where the 5th Bloodstone is, because if it follows the square I posted then it doesn't really have a place.

Which further disproves your theory - unless the fifth was in the center - which we would have seen if it was (at least most likely).

Carnivorous Cupcake · Jul 11, 2009, 09:56 AM // 09:56

Konig

We cant actually se the one near Gadd's Incampment. ^^

Free Runner · Jul 11, 2009, 10:13 AM // 10:13

A good theory but you seem to be running off the Bloodstone in Bloodstone Caves being right near the entrance. But its further in and under the Shiverpeaks (the tunnels go futher in).

Konig Des Todes · Jul 11, 2009, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Carnivorous Cupcake

Konig

We cant actually se the one near Gadd's Incampment. ^^

What? Can't see what? The bloodstone? Yes we can. And the comment from myself on Gadd's Encampment had nothing to do with the Bloodstone. I was saying that area with Gadd's Encampment, the bloodstone caves, and bogroots is not a part of the Tarnished Coast. Lore-speaking, it just shares the loading screen and elements that is in the Tarnished Coast.

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

A good theory but you seem to be running off the Bloodstone in Bloodstone Caves being right near the entrance. But its further in and under the Shiverpeaks (the tunnels go futher in).

Quite true, seeing how Linsey confirmed it to be the shiverpeak bloodstone planned to be where Evennia and Saidra were to be killed.

WhiteAsIce · Jul 13, 2009, 07:05 AM // 07:05

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Quite true, seeing how Linsey confirmed it to be the shiverpeak bloodstone planned to be where Evennia and Saidra were to be killed.

If that's the case, then the circle over Bloodstone Caves should be further east, past the outpost for Ice Caves. That changes the shape of the drawn quadrilateral.

Gmr Leon · Jul 13, 2009, 08:04 AM // 08:04

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Originally Posted by WhiteAsIce

If that's the case, then the circle over Bloodstone Caves should be further east, past the outpost for Ice Caves. That changes the shape of the drawn quadrilateral.

It's not that deep into the Shiverpeaks. There's still green plantlife above the hole in the ceiling of the chamber of the Bloodstone in the Bloodstone Caves.

Free Runner · Jul 13, 2009, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Yeah the Bloodstone doesnt need to be exactly near the Ice Caves of Sorrow. Chances are, the Mursaat held Evennia and Saidra hostage their because it was the only viable place at the time rather than it being next to the Bloodstone. Personally i think the bloodstone is further down from the entrance to Bloodstone Caves (around the green parts that are across from the Crystal Desert but still connected to the Shiverpeaks). Unfortunatly i doubt we'll ever get an exact location.

draxynnic · Jul 13, 2009, 11:11 AM // 11:11

Maybe in GW2. :P

Konig Des Todes · Jul 13, 2009, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by WhiteAsIce

If that's the case, then the circle over Bloodstone Caves should be further east, past the outpost for Ice Caves. That changes the shape of the drawn quadrilateral.

First of all, the "circle over Bloodstone Caves" cannot have an exact location due to the cave being imperfect - it is at the best known location (the entrance) - though I have tried to use the dungeon maps over the continent map and have tried to find a location, but there is clearly areas between the 3 maps which throw off people doing that (because one time I got it, it was just west of Talus Chute, the other time it was in the water *first time i just placed exists near each other based on the actual map's up/down/etc. The second time I took into account the compass readings, which pushed me into the water). Either way, yes, the OP's little diagram would be off.

Second, as other said, the bloodstone may not be that far into the Shiverpeaks. It is called the "shiverpeak bloodstone" because it is where the Shining Blade were going to be sacrificed (and they were held in the Shiverpeaks) - it was believed for the longest time (read:until Linsey commented) that the bloodstone was closer to Spearhead peak or something, i.e., west and not east.

MBTW · Jul 14, 2009, 04:21 AM // 04:21

im not sure if this is useful at all, but i did a approx. radius using the Bloodstone Fen stone as to where the volcano could launch a bloodstone. dont hate